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		<title>By: Wallace Klinck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wallace Klinck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to Donna Gaddis:

Some websites where you can access information on Social Credit:

http://social-credit.com/index.html
http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/socialcredit/socialcredit.htm
http://social-credit.blogspot.com/
http://www.douglassocialcredit.com/
http://www.ecn.net.au/~socred/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit

There exists a voluminous body of Social Credit works produced over a period of over ninety years.

I could not agree more with your positive assessment of C. H. Douglas.  Douglas had in my opinion a towering intellect that penetrated to the core of these matters in the most profound manner. 

Douglas and John Maynard Keynes were contemporaries who appeared both singly and together in different government financial hearings and private venues. 

 Keynes left us with a system of finance that engenders increasing debt and inflation with endless toil and the inevitability of war as all nations are forced to attempt to export more real wealth than they import in order to capture financial credits to compensate the internal growing deficiencies of effective purchasing power within their own borders.  

Douglas revealed the increasingly non- self-liquidating nature of the price system under the existing faulty convention of national financial cost-accountancy.  His recommendations for introducing non- cost-creating consumer credits to issue universal Consumer Dividends and effect Compensated (Retail) Prices would result in a falling price level and increasing economic independence and security for all citizens with the opportunity for increasing leisure in the context of genuine individual freedom.  The commu-fascist (totalitarian) social policy of &quot;full employment&quot; would become discredited as technology was allowed to displace human labour at a maximum rate.  The purpose of production is to produce goods and services as efficiently as possible--not to create &quot;work&quot; in perpetuation of a slave state.

Social Credit stands for Freedom, Abundance and Leisure.

Sincerely
Wally Klinck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Donna Gaddis:</p>
<p>Some websites where you can access information on Social Credit:</p>
<p><a href="http://social-credit.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://social-credit.com/index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/socialcredit/socialcredit.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/socialcredit/socialcredit.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://social-credit.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://social-credit.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.douglassocialcredit.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.douglassocialcredit.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ecn.net.au/~socred/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecn.net.au/~socred/</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit</a></p>
<p>There exists a voluminous body of Social Credit works produced over a period of over ninety years.</p>
<p>I could not agree more with your positive assessment of C. H. Douglas.  Douglas had in my opinion a towering intellect that penetrated to the core of these matters in the most profound manner. </p>
<p>Douglas and John Maynard Keynes were contemporaries who appeared both singly and together in different government financial hearings and private venues. </p>
<p> Keynes left us with a system of finance that engenders increasing debt and inflation with endless toil and the inevitability of war as all nations are forced to attempt to export more real wealth than they import in order to capture financial credits to compensate the internal growing deficiencies of effective purchasing power within their own borders.  </p>
<p>Douglas revealed the increasingly non- self-liquidating nature of the price system under the existing faulty convention of national financial cost-accountancy.  His recommendations for introducing non- cost-creating consumer credits to issue universal Consumer Dividends and effect Compensated (Retail) Prices would result in a falling price level and increasing economic independence and security for all citizens with the opportunity for increasing leisure in the context of genuine individual freedom.  The commu-fascist (totalitarian) social policy of &#8220;full employment&#8221; would become discredited as technology was allowed to displace human labour at a maximum rate.  The purpose of production is to produce goods and services as efficiently as possible&#8211;not to create &#8220;work&#8221; in perpetuation of a slave state.</p>
<p>Social Credit stands for Freedom, Abundance and Leisure.</p>
<p>Sincerely<br />
Wally Klinck</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Gaddis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I dearly love Bob Klinck comments on what C. H. Douglas wrote.  I believe that what C. H. Douglas wrote is truly the answer.  Where can I get some of the material written by C. H. Douglas.  I would dearly love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I dearly love Bob Klinck comments on what C. H. Douglas wrote.  I believe that what C. H. Douglas wrote is truly the answer.  Where can I get some of the material written by C. H. Douglas.  I would dearly love it.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJ Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to learn how to survive hard economic times read
Barter Secrets (How to Survive Economic Hard Times) by B. J. Fuller. Barter Secrets shows you how to LEGALLY create your own money and use it to purchase goods and services.  You will also learn how to purchase merchandise at 10cents on the dollar and then trade (barter) it at 100cents on the dollar--a $20,000 car for $2,000, a $5,000 high def. T.V. for $500. These are but two of the many how-to barter secrets contained in this best selling book. To order your copy of Barter Secrets go to www.barter911.com, www.woodsidepublishing.com or www.amazon.com
THIS IS A MUST READ SURVIVAL BOOK. READ IT AND REAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to learn how to survive hard economic times read<br />
Barter Secrets (How to Survive Economic Hard Times) by B. J. Fuller. Barter Secrets shows you how to LEGALLY create your own money and use it to purchase goods and services.  You will also learn how to purchase merchandise at 10cents on the dollar and then trade (barter) it at 100cents on the dollar&#8211;a $20,000 car for $2,000, a $5,000 high def. T.V. for $500. These are but two of the many how-to barter secrets contained in this best selling book. To order your copy of Barter Secrets go to <a href="http://www.barter911.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.barter911.com</a>, <a href="http://www.woodsidepublishing.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodsidepublishing.com</a> or <a href="http://www.amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com</a><br />
THIS IS A MUST READ SURVIVAL BOOK. READ IT AND REAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barter is quite an interesting topic of conversation.  Governments do see it as a threat to the sovreignty of their currency.  If you look at the IRS regulations, barter is considered a taxable event.

Unfortunately, as governments weaken by the weight of their debt loads, and consumers become increasingly strapped from unemployment and debt of their own, a forced reversion to frugality and all that comes with it inevitably happens.

The break up and ensuing devolution of the former Soviet states is an example.  They, certainly, will not be the last.

The question on everyone&#039;s minds is not &quot;if&quot; but &quot;when&quot; 1st world nations (including the US) will collapse under their own debt weight.

The following link has a pretty good analysis of when that tipping point is:

http://www.SavingsAndLoanBailout.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barter is quite an interesting topic of conversation.  Governments do see it as a threat to the sovreignty of their currency.  If you look at the IRS regulations, barter is considered a taxable event.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as governments weaken by the weight of their debt loads, and consumers become increasingly strapped from unemployment and debt of their own, a forced reversion to frugality and all that comes with it inevitably happens.</p>
<p>The break up and ensuing devolution of the former Soviet states is an example.  They, certainly, will not be the last.</p>
<p>The question on everyone&#8217;s minds is not &#8220;if&#8221; but &#8220;when&#8221; 1st world nations (including the US) will collapse under their own debt weight.</p>
<p>The following link has a pretty good analysis of when that tipping point is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.SavingsAndLoanBailout.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SavingsAndLoanBailout.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Economics and Investing:Footpounds: Planet Preparedness:</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Economics and Investing:Footpounds: Planet Preparedness:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Courtesy of Cousin Al: How Barter Saved Russia [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harvest Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvest Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;In Time Of Crisis, Barter Works...&lt;/strong&gt;

Source: Richard Cook

After the collapse of the Soviet Union caused it to split up into its components, the newly-established nations each faced an economic crisis. In Russia the crisis lasted for a decade. Inflation had destroyed the currency. There...</description>
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<p>Source: Richard Cook</p>
<p>After the collapse of the Soviet Union caused it to split up into its components, the newly-established nations each faced an economic crisis. In Russia the crisis lasted for a decade. Inflation had destroyed the currency. There&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: aivar</title>
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		<dc:creator>aivar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot of material out there on the web by Dmitry Orlov that describes how people survived the collapse of the Soviet Union as a lesson for those in teetering Western economies.  He also has a book out.

In particular I recall seeing a video online in which he describes the barter system, unfortunately I can&#039;t find it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of material out there on the web by Dmitry Orlov that describes how people survived the collapse of the Soviet Union as a lesson for those in teetering Western economies.  He also has a book out.</p>
<p>In particular I recall seeing a video online in which he describes the barter system, unfortunately I can&#8217;t find it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toilet paper people, what better barter could one have in a post consumption/sugar addictive world?

Aint anybody noticed that there are not more fruit trees, wild berries, vegetables or anything growing wild that is edible in the neighborhood&gt;

when i was a kid folks used to supplement their gardens with the supermarket, not the other way around.  Crab apple trees brought us jelly, grapefruit, avocado, lemons.  Neighbors would always be sharing their abundance from the gardens with other neighbors. This was just a normal neighborhood with little yards.  as kids we knew who was growing watermellon and when it would be ripe and that the old world war 2 vet growing it was ecstatic about sharing it with us.

Now we all have IBS from all the GM processed garbage and no one grows anything anymore. even if one chose to, the seeds and or plantlings are GM as well and maybe get one harvest but those seeds wont re germinate.

So whats left to barter? What good are any of you? Is that degree or job qualification going to help when foraging for food or trying to protect what little you have?

Its a blessed event should that 50 day food supply dwindle, suddenly all the super smart, mortgaged university indoctrinated elitists will see in retrospect the real useless eaters are.

By the way, Israelis are constantly expanding their territories to grow organic food within organic communities while the rest of the world is ripping open a plastic wrapper with their teeth.  What does this tell you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toilet paper people, what better barter could one have in a post consumption/sugar addictive world?</p>
<p>Aint anybody noticed that there are not more fruit trees, wild berries, vegetables or anything growing wild that is edible in the neighborhood&gt;</p>
<p>when i was a kid folks used to supplement their gardens with the supermarket, not the other way around.  Crab apple trees brought us jelly, grapefruit, avocado, lemons.  Neighbors would always be sharing their abundance from the gardens with other neighbors. This was just a normal neighborhood with little yards.  as kids we knew who was growing watermellon and when it would be ripe and that the old world war 2 vet growing it was ecstatic about sharing it with us.</p>
<p>Now we all have IBS from all the GM processed garbage and no one grows anything anymore. even if one chose to, the seeds and or plantlings are GM as well and maybe get one harvest but those seeds wont re germinate.</p>
<p>So whats left to barter? What good are any of you? Is that degree or job qualification going to help when foraging for food or trying to protect what little you have?</p>
<p>Its a blessed event should that 50 day food supply dwindle, suddenly all the super smart, mortgaged university indoctrinated elitists will see in retrospect the real useless eaters are.</p>
<p>By the way, Israelis are constantly expanding their territories to grow organic food within organic communities while the rest of the world is ripping open a plastic wrapper with their teeth.  What does this tell you?</p>
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		<title>By: bob klinck</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob klinck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is most unfortunate that you are suggesting barter, an atavistic exchange system, as a means of economic survival.  This quote from C.H. Douglas is pertinent:

&quot;Question 4. “What should be the purpose of money?”

Douglas:  &quot;In many places there is a complete misapprehension as to the use of [a] money system at the present time. In the first place all the vocal orthodox economists are quite obviously and honestly unaware of any change whatever in the reasonable functions of money and in the economic system in the last 300 or 400 years. For example, I saw a letter attacking me in &#039;The Listener&#039; from someone who said that my views on Economics had been exposed by Sir Francis North in 1641! To my mind that is one of the most completely damning things that could be said. Anything I can contribute is based on the conditions which have come into prominence within the past fifty years.

&quot;The first thing to be clear about is that the idea of money as a medium of exchange is, if not obsolete, so rapidly becoming obsolescent it is really not worth considering [i.e.,] the idea of an economic system carried on by isolated craftsmen or farmers exchanging their products with each other on a basis which will ensure that the products are in fact, exchanged.]

&quot;The modern economic system is not in least like that. It is a system in which you have a central pool of production through enormous industrial organisations in which by far the most important factor is real capital—machines, power, etc., and the problem is not to exchange between these institutions. It is to distribute from them to people who fundamentally have nothing whatever to exchange. They are simply standing on the outside line of an organisation which is productive, and the problem is to get the goods over from the organization to these people—not to exchange at all.

&quot;The idea of a money system as a means of exchange is only applicable to a small and diminishing fraction of the total production of the world.

&quot;Therefore, it is of the most fundamental importance to enquire what is the purpose of money. It is that it is first of all an effective demand—a ticket system—a valid demand for goods and services. Consequently, it is the most extraordinarily flexible voting system which the mind of man can conceive.

&quot;Every time I go into a tobacconist’s shop and buy a pack of Black Cat in preference to Gold Flake, I vote for Black Cat in preference to Gold Flake. Every time I buy Cadbury’s cocoa in preference to Fry’s, I vote for Cadbury’s. This preference is transmitted day by day to the companies concerned and they know whether or not their goods are meeting with public approval. This is the whole essence of the economic system. The problem is to produce what the public want and to get it over to them.

&quot;The fundamental purpose of a proper money system is first to give the most rapid and flexible indication to producing organisations as to what the public want, and secondly to see they get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is most unfortunate that you are suggesting barter, an atavistic exchange system, as a means of economic survival.  This quote from C.H. Douglas is pertinent:</p>
<p>&#8220;Question 4. “What should be the purpose of money?”</p>
<p>Douglas:  &#8220;In many places there is a complete misapprehension as to the use of [a] money system at the present time. In the first place all the vocal orthodox economists are quite obviously and honestly unaware of any change whatever in the reasonable functions of money and in the economic system in the last 300 or 400 years. For example, I saw a letter attacking me in &#8216;The Listener&#8217; from someone who said that my views on Economics had been exposed by Sir Francis North in 1641! To my mind that is one of the most completely damning things that could be said. Anything I can contribute is based on the conditions which have come into prominence within the past fifty years.</p>
<p>&#8220;The first thing to be clear about is that the idea of money as a medium of exchange is, if not obsolete, so rapidly becoming obsolescent it is really not worth considering [i.e.,] the idea of an economic system carried on by isolated craftsmen or farmers exchanging their products with each other on a basis which will ensure that the products are in fact, exchanged.]</p>
<p>&#8220;The modern economic system is not in least like that. It is a system in which you have a central pool of production through enormous industrial organisations in which by far the most important factor is real capital—machines, power, etc., and the problem is not to exchange between these institutions. It is to distribute from them to people who fundamentally have nothing whatever to exchange. They are simply standing on the outside line of an organisation which is productive, and the problem is to get the goods over from the organization to these people—not to exchange at all.</p>
<p>&#8220;The idea of a money system as a means of exchange is only applicable to a small and diminishing fraction of the total production of the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;Therefore, it is of the most fundamental importance to enquire what is the purpose of money. It is that it is first of all an effective demand—a ticket system—a valid demand for goods and services. Consequently, it is the most extraordinarily flexible voting system which the mind of man can conceive.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every time I go into a tobacconist’s shop and buy a pack of Black Cat in preference to Gold Flake, I vote for Black Cat in preference to Gold Flake. Every time I buy Cadbury’s cocoa in preference to Fry’s, I vote for Cadbury’s. This preference is transmitted day by day to the companies concerned and they know whether or not their goods are meeting with public approval. This is the whole essence of the economic system. The problem is to produce what the public want and to get it over to them.</p>
<p>&#8220;The fundamental purpose of a proper money system is first to give the most rapid and flexible indication to producing organisations as to what the public want, and secondly to see they get it.</p>
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		<title>By: arkansascajun</title>
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		<dc:creator>arkansascajun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they also have BARTER CLUBS which have sales outlets and print thier own CURRENCY. early on it was easily conterfeited but they now use BARCODE marked currency.
you bring in your stuff on consignment. when it sells they pay you in thier currency, useable in any of thier outlets.
tax free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they also have BARTER CLUBS which have sales outlets and print thier own CURRENCY. early on it was easily conterfeited but they now use BARCODE marked currency.<br />
you bring in your stuff on consignment. when it sells they pay you in thier currency, useable in any of thier outlets.<br />
tax free</p>
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